It's Not That Serious: Pop Culture News & Bachelor Recapping with Guest Cohost, Caroline Sandall!

A very special and very fun episode this week, catching you up on all things Bachelor Nation with host Maddy McClain's very best childhood friend, Caroline Sandall! Say VERY one more time :)
The Bachelor franchise has been resusitated with Joey as the leading man and we give our very candid thoughts on episodes 1-5, leading up to the Montreal trip. Everything from our top 4 picks for Joey to the best Bachelorettes in franchise history...to the drama on camera & off.
Host Maddy McClain covers the pop culture news of the week and provides an astrology tidbit because she can't help herself. Hear that and so much more this week on Easily Entertained!

Cheers homies! Follow on IG @easilyentertainedpod

Resources/Sources mentioned:
- Why Astrologers Are Rejoicing (Today)
- How Tom Sandoval Became the Most Hated Man in America (The New York Times)
- Nick Viall & Patti Stanger's New Show (Variety)
- Bachelor Recap: Disrespectful Drama (Vulture)
- The Bachelor's Maria Georgas Recalls Nearly Dying in Car Accident (Y! News)

Transcript

Hello homies and welcome to another episode of Easily Entertained. With yours truly, yours honestly, yours no cap. I'm your host, Maddy McClain.  In another blink of an eye, we've made it another week or so ish. On this teeny  tiny floating little rock. Just, just vibing, just vibing. I've been feeling rather existential lately.

Maybe it's the fact that things seem to be flying by lately as I approach my 30s, or maybe it's post pandemic, like, time travel trippiness, you know what I mean? Or maybe it's that time of the month like it always fucking seems to be, or maybe it's just maybe it's Maybelline. Um, but there's good news for us out there in the cosmos, homies.

Well, allegedly, um, since January 28th. And until April 1st of this year, there will be no planets in retrograde, which just means astrological smooth sailing, which is the news we all, you know, need and want to hear, but I'll give you a little little more on on that. Don't worry. I won't go too far down the rabbit hole, but  I mean, let me know if you would like for me to go down the rabbit hole, because one thing I'll do is I'll take a dare.

Um, yeah. So today's episode is a fun one. It is an exciting one. It is  It's special. Mmkay?  Um, one of my very, very, very best friends of 16 years and counting, Caroline Sandahl is guest co hosting with me this week, and we sat down and we talked all things Batch Nation. It's a good one. It's a, it's a giggly one.

It's, uh, you'll enjoy it. And if you don't,  Get a better taste and humor and stuff. I don't know  Just kidding, but we will be covering the Last week's doubleheader episodes of The Bachelor up until then  So not this most recent episode that came out Um, Monday, February, what's that, 19th?  Um, but yes, so don't worry if you aren't fully caught up yet, and regardless if you watch or not, it's a fun convo.

So, that will be the entertained entree, if you will, for this week's episode. And before we dive into that, I've got a few pop culture news nuggies for your pleasure. Some things you may not know, including Tom Sandoval's Final nail in the proverbial cancellation coffin.  And it's just appalling, honestly, um, the things that come out of that man's one with a mustache his mouth.

Um, so we will talk about what exactly that is. And if you have no idea who I'm talking about, it's a reality star, um, that made these, this crazy comments, uh, regarding.  Some very serious things like, uh, George Floyd and O. J. Simpson? Question mark? Anyways, so we'll talk a little bit about that. A few little things, moments from the People's Choice Awards that went down that you may have missed.

And a new show involving Nick. Vile that you may want to sit down and hear about so buckle up bitches. It's time to get this party started 

so The astrological good news that we were discussing touched on is that there are zero planets in retrograde What does that mean you ask?  Well, it simply means a retrograde occurs when a planet looks to be moving backwards in orbit.  So, they aren't actually. It's an optical illusion based on how we see things on Earth.

But essentially, whenever this happens, astrologers believe that when any planet is in retrograde, that kind of movement is similar to what And so what, you know, the origin of the word means is that kind of re, like going back a little bit of, of, of stalling. So they kind of say that whenever things go into retrograde, it kind of acts like an obstacle or like a handicap of some sort that just makes things a bit harder.

So the one that you're always hearing about is mercury in retrograde and gatorade.  Uh, which just means in And whatever the planet rules, because each planet has something to do,  reigns, it's thought to reign a particular part of your life. So Mercury, for example, is a planet of communication, technology, and travel.

And then like Venus is a planet that rules love and relationships and  all that good stuff. So each planet that relates to something is considered to kind of be a little bit more challenging than usual in that. area of life. So if you, you know, if you subscribe  to this, this line of thinking, I mean, it's, it's, it's science, like,  anyways, I won't defend it, but yeah, so that's good news.

Apparently that rarely happens, but, so that means things are going to be a little bit smoother, a little bit smooth sailing. People are feeling a bit freer. a little bit lighter, things happen a little bit more naturally, but I wanted to read a little bit, give you a little astrology to start your week or whenever you're listening to this.

This means, it is a good window to pursue dreams without worrying about pesky planetary interventions. Take advantage of the non retrograde phrase to revisit projects that may have been put on hold, make changes in places where you once felt stalled. Whether in the realm of career, personal growth, or relationships. 

Yeah, but really what this also means is we can't blame it on the planets, you know? That's always my favorite thing to do, is just,  must be Mercury, you know? Like, I'm not waking up on time because the planets. Okay, so also why I love astrology, but there's a website where you just type in is Mercurian retrograde and the entire thing is just a landing page that says yes or no if it is So if you ever are unsure, that's how but I don't know I thought maybe I'd just sprinkle in a little good news until good old April.

I mean, I can't lie I like I like hearing about that stuff. I'm also the kind I love personality tests You know, like I will, one thing about me is I'll always take a personality test. I like to learn about myself. Does that make me a narcissist?  Probably not.  Does it give off that kind of energy? A little bit.

A little bit. But um, are narcissists self aware?  Got you there. Got you there. Um, it's weird when you start arguments with yourself slash the audience, uh, to a microphone. I'm going to  just get you a little peek behind the curtain on that one. 

All right. What pop culture news nuggies do I have for you? We gotta talk about this, so  if you are a fan of the pod, um, you may have heard me already talk about a bit of the Scandal or the Cheating Scandal from the reality show Vanderpump Rules. We talk just a wee bit about that show here. Regardless if you know, or are a big fan of the show or not, you may have heard about them and been like, why am I supposed to care about this couple?

It's the couple that was on this reality TV show, Vanderpump Rules, that has been going on for now 11 seasons. And for the last like 10 years, this, the two, two of the main cast members that have been dating, live together. The man, Tom Sandoval,  cheated on Ariana Maddox, his girlfriend.  With another castmate, Raquel Levis, and, um, none of the producers or anybody like knew about it.

So then it was kind of once that broke, it was almost like playing a little bit of a mystery game. Like the season was still airing and we had just learned about it. So kind of like picking up on the clues to see.  Um, piece of news, but it was super talked about, beaten to the ground, so much so that it gave one of Bravo TV shows some of its very first Emmy nominations  in the reality TV sphere, obviously, and that none of the other Bravo, major Bravo franchises have ever received before, like any of the Real Housewives or anything like that.

So it's a big deal. And then of course it spawned just a million bajillion other things and became very deeply a pop culture conversation. And by that I just mean it's something that's topical. happened recently and it has spurred a ton of attention  on the internet and in real life and everywhere in between. 

And so the New York Times did a profile on Tom Sandoval and it's called How Tom Sandoval Became the Most Hated Man in America.  Aptly named. But what's really done it is Tom Sandoval's inability to like, grasp exactly How  he could move on from this, like, it's move on able, you know what I mean? The, the internet, the, the world at large, like, the, the news cycle moves constantly, it moves fast.

It, for the very least, if he had just kind of kept quiet and stuck with the, like, apologizing for doing that, you know?  And just not instead double down and continue to just say ridiculous things. But this one really has done it. So journalist Irina Alexander writes this super well, and it definitely sucks you in.

So highly recommend you read it. I'll of course link this and the show notes, but she describes not only the conversation between herself and Tom Sandoval, of course, as in the interview, but also the experience.  of interviewing and interacting with Tom in his mannerisms to there's, he has this very young 23 year old publicist, maybe an intern, but young girl named Riley who's described as being A fan and infatuated by him  and it really, it really paints this picture of how reality TV as a career can completely warp  the star's perspectives, just completely.

But I don't even want to give him that much credit or like leeway because let me just read you. What was, um,  what's gonna just really seal the deal for Tom Sandoval as continuing to be the most hated man?  Um, okay, so this is from the New York Times article. I asked Sandoval why he thought the scandal got so big.

Quote, I'm not a pop culture historian really, he said, but I witnessed the OJ Simpson thing and George Floyd and all these big things, which is really weird to compare this to that, I think, but do you think in a weird way it's a little bit the same? 

I looked over at Riley, who was typing furiously on her phone. I think I knew what he meant. He was trying to express the oddity of becoming the symbolic center of a nationwide discussion and a major news story. What he communicated instead was something more honest, which is just how much the experience had made him lose perspective.

I did what I did because I was in an unhappy place in my life. He said, I got caught up in my emotions and fully fell in love like for real. He sighed and drained his teacup. Then he got up, put on some upbeat music, and went upstairs to get ready for a night out. Sometimes he says too much, Riley said, and the following day forgets what he says.

Then she went upstairs to have a quick word with him.  The next day, I was supposed to attend the taping of one of Sandoval's confessional interviews for the show. I was about to get in my car when I received a text from his publicist, Riley's boss. He'd rather you don't attend today, it read. He's not feeling the best.

The next morning, I got a call from Baskin. the producer of Vanderpump Rules, and the day after that a Bravo publicist rang me late on a Friday. Some of what Sandoval had said had gotten back to Bravo and everyone was concerned. What was it that he said about OJ Simpson and George Floyd exactly? Maybe Sandoval wasn't ready for this.

The Bravo publicist asked if I really needed to see Sandoval again. Could the network facilitate an interview with one of the show's other stars?  And then he goes on to just talk about how, I mean, the upbringing, how he came to L. A., being a Mactor, which is a, uh, model actor. And it's so out of touch, the way he talks about himself and everything, and  now he wants to, uh, have a career in, as a Chippendale.

Um, in Las Vegas, so. I don't think that's happening anytime soon. I mean, I don't think I have to even explain why that sentence that he said about George Floyd and O. J. Simpson comparison, why that's appalling, hopefully. But Unbelievable that he would even say that. And of course, you know, I like the little peek too that she gives us behind the curtain of the producers and publicists having a meltdown and rightfully so about what's happening.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. I feel like maybe this is finally,  I already think Vanderpump Rules, this is their final season, but even if they continued to like fire him, I don't know. Hopefully he takes some time to really think long and hard and reflect. On that and everything he said and insinuated and just got so, so very wrong.

But we shall see. I don't see Chippendales offering him a job anymore.  I think that ship has sailed. What a true performance he's given us. How to ruin and destroy your reputation.  101!  So that's fun.  Again, I'll include that article in the link, but of course he's posted like one single Instagram story apology that I mean  goes away in 24 hours So it doesn't seem like much is being done about that.

So 

last Sunday the People's Choice Awards went down and Yet another in the series of the numerous award shows these last few months have taken on and this one, of course, based on the name, I think you might be able to guess it, is that us plebeians, us people, we are the ones handing out these prizes, which honestly, in my opinion, should be the way it is, but I don't know.

I guess they need some credential judges  a la The Voice. A lot American Idol,  you know, but whatever I'm credentialing myself to have an opinion over this So I hope you will accept my credentials not a ton went down to the PCA's It's kind of the another game of what you would expect the winners to be Barbie Oppenheimer Taylor Swift, you know  the reality TV show that one was the Kardashians which even that seems a little out of touch, too I don't think I don't think us people are  loving them as much as we used to, you know, but maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong. The real, the real juice, the real tea that people are talking about from the PCAs is there is this clip going around where someone I guess caught and overheard. Billy Eilish saying something to Jennifer Aniston about there being a shitload of TikTokers there.  And kind of like laughing and made a face about it.

And people are like, no, that's so elitist. That's oh my gosh, but I mean Come on, I agree. You're in the same award ceremony as Billie Eilish. Like I would feel  Yeah, not like I'm not so serious. But  of course TikTok is losing their minds over that but uh,  It's not a big deal. It's not a big not a big deal at all Jennifer Aniston was there to hand out an award to her bestie, Adam Sandler.

And I gotta say, that era of rom com  with Adam Sandler, Jennifer Aniston, uh, Drew Barrymore. That was prime rom com, I have to say. I mean, maybe it's just because that's kind of my teens or what I grew up watching. But, really great. 50 First Dates, like are you kidding me?  They've done, but Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler have done tons of movies together.

And, it was a cute, cute little moment. But, beyond that it was kind of your usual cast of characters from these last few award shows. I guess with just surprisingly more TikTokers, although I thought they were pretty,  pretty prevalent in the Oscars and the Grammys and such. 

And lastly for our pop culture news nuggies, Nick Vile from his podcast, The Vile Files, also from The Bachelor. He is teaming up with quote the ultimate matchmaker Patti Stanger. She is from the million dollar millionaire matchmaker  Which is exactly what it sounds like but now they are going to be working together And it will be called Patti Stanger the matchmaker that will premiere on April 11th.

So we got some time It will be on E Vile, who got a start on The Bachelorette twice before leading his own season of The Bachelor, now the host of Vile Files podcast, and a relationship expert. I would add quotes on relationship expert, but I mean, I love him, but who decided that? Um, they will offer his best tips and tricks in dating as the duo tackles their most challenging clients.

yet.  That sounds interesting. So the series will follow Stanger as she helps singles find love while teaching them the real, the real tools and rules to become the most eligible versions of themselves. I would be very remiss not to mention that we very much must talk about Love is Blind Season 6.  The newest few episodes have dropped today, Wednesday, and I am eager, Beaver, to watch them all.

It's going to be embarrassing how quick it takes, but don't you worry, we will be talking about that probably in next week's episode. So Do yourselves a favor, this season is really good if you have taken a few seasons off or what have you. It's, it's a good one. They spend a lot more time in the pods this season, which I love, you know.

That is the, the craziest part of the, well, maybe not the craziest part because they do end up getting married. But you get what I mean, it's all kind of crazy. So, definitely recommend this season to watch. And we will talk about it next episode. But our very next segment is one I'm very excited about. So I hope you enjoy.

And we're going to talk all about The Bachelor with my guest co host this week.  Hello, homies. Welcome for another special  episode. Today, we are sitting down with. My bestie and soon to be y'all's bestie too by the end of this.  Caroline Sandel, welcome to the pod. Hi! So excited to be here.  She couldn't wait.

Couldn't wait. Been counting down the hours all day. Yeah. It's just, you know. Like normal, except that there are tons of microphones and cords. And the headphones really do it for me. It'll be nice to see you in your element, Maddie. I'm excited. Yeah. I'm feeling a little nervy, but I kind of like it.  The nervous laughs. 

Today, you know, I felt like there'd be no one better than to sit down and talk Bachelor because we've only been doing it, uh, for a solid 10, 12, however long, 18 million years.  Oh, it's been like 17 years. You mean of us talking bachelor, right? Yeah, yeah. Probably. It's been a long time. Sixth grade, baby.

That's a lot of bachelors and bachelorettes we've seen through these streets.  These streets of Westlake.  The hood. The ultimate hood.  Oh, you know. I gotta say this season.  Oh my God. There's some, I don't even know where to begin really. There's so much to  talk about. There's a lot to unpack here. But I'm also, I'm a totally  a much bigger fan of The Bachelor.

100%. I will admit, I didn't watch Charity's season. Have I told you that? Wait, that's so weird because literally that's the one season I didn't finish either.  It was boring. It was really boring. Also, guy drama is, like, it's stupid. I don't care about it. Yeah. And I also don't care about, like, looking at All the guys, I know that sounds like I should, but I care way more about like, what are the girls wearing?

Like how did the girls look like? That's what's interesting to me that I don't like, okay. One hot guy is no different than like 30, you know?  Like, I get bored of it. No, I feel like women are much more interesting to look at.  Agreed. We're both straight, but  I'm like, damn, am I?  And this, this bachelor in particular is finally Oh my god, he is fine.

Let's start there. Let's start with Joey. I think the reason why everyone loves him is not because he's like a better guy than Clayton or Colton or Zach or whoever, it's literally because he's much hotter. He is. Can we all just admit that that's why we like him more? Yeah. Like Zach was just as nice, I feel like.

Do you?  Yeah, yeah, I don't think, I think with Zach, 

that, yeah, there's just not even much to say about him, I suppose, no, and Joey has this like, he's kind of, he, he really does embody the Golden Retriever energy, I feel like. Literally chasing a tennis ball. 

He's very good looking. And I feel like he also, I think the trope has been everything that the bachelor says to a girl, like trauma dumping on him. 

He got pummeled in the last episode. Oh my God. Like  It's bad. Why do they I mean, why do they only choose? Women who have had like major traumas in their life. I guess that's can you imagine going on i'd be like  Like, I don't know what to say that's even comparative to like, anything that these women have said.

No. I feel like that is maybe the, like, casting and just make sure that they have like some tear jerking, like really traumatic, life changing event that goes down. Can you imagine how exhausted he is? Like hearing one story after the other. Like he's not a trained therapist.  Maybe they gotta start training them that way.

He's had like three months training to be the bachelor.  I, yeah, no, I do remember because there are times when The sob story is like, I mean, yeah, divorce is bad and that's probably difficult and I don't know a lot about it, but,  but it's not like  when the girl comes on is like, my parents got divorced and they're like right after some girl was like, my entire family died in the house fire. 

Oh, can we talk about Maria's sob story? Yes. Sorry if I'm jumping the gun here. No, no. Let's jump it. So Apparently, and I'm reading this from, um, Yahoo Entertainment,  Maria Georges, Gorgas, Georges.  That sounds Greek as hell. Is she Greek? She  be.  I mean, I guess she is.  That's her last name. Looks like it. Maria got vulnerable with Joey on the Tuesday, February 13th episode of The Bachelor.

The fiery contestant let Joey see past her quote. Rough exterior as she opened up about one of the most traumatic times in her life.  My mom and I got into a really, really bad car accident when I was like one, Maria explained. A semi truck basically fell on top of my mom's car. It was really bad. It's crazy to even think about.

My car seat was in like pieces.  It was literally announced dead at the scene. It was in newspapers as a miracle at the time. It was a very scary situation.  The executive assistant told Joey that the accident led her mom to go into a big depression after she broke almost every bone in her body. Holy shit.

Oh my god. Being a young age, I didn't recognize or understand any of that. My mom wasn't around for most of my childhood. She wasn't capable of being the mother. She really wanted to.  Uh, yeah. So I was here that she kind of said that it strained her relationship with her mom, but I have seen. In a TikTok, which is always weird to like, be watching The Bachelor and then we now have  a much more direct, like, line to them through TikTok now.

It feels like, uh, inappropriate online. Yeah. How do you mean like, you're just sitting on their couch watching them. Yeah, I thought that they had to like, Hold back and not do any press? Oh, they're not holding back this season. No, that's for sure. So that was Maria's traumatic story. That's That is sad. Also, what do you think of her not telling it on a one on one?

Telling it on a group date? 

Is it like a plea for a rose? Yeah. I think so too. It definitely feels like a If you're ever backed into a corner, just like, think about trauma. Don't yeah.  And maybe it'll get you a rose.  Clearly it does. Yeah. Yeah. It really, I mean, let's see, there was somebody else  that said in the same episode last week.

So basically, okay. I'll go back. Last week was when they had the, like, double header. We had a Monday night episode and a Tuesday episode. Thank you, Bachelor gods. Ah, thank you. Four hours of pure joy for me. Honestly.  Just don't think about anything else that I need to in my life. And instead,  watch, uh, 20 somethings date the same man.

Wow. Medina's 31. Oh, but don't tell her that.  All hell will break loose.  That was terrible. The, so the whole two night, I guess, where they brought us back into was jumping into the drama between  Medina, Maria, Sidney,  Boo, Tomato, Tomato,  Get off the stage, you  suck.  All of Bachelor Nation agreed with that, she um, Yeah, stuck her nose where it didn't belong. 

What was she thinking? Like,  what was going on? Through her mind.  I think people assumed that Maria was going to get the villain edit.  100%. Because she has that just energy to her. She's feisty, whatever.  Yahoo called her fiery.  Like, I would say Yahoo. Can you imagine just  reading that about yourself? Like, oh, thanks Yahoo.

Thanks so much. Um.  Really appreciate that.  Love that. Love. Um,  It all, honestly it started to get very convoluted. It was hard to follow what exactly the problem was.  Um, I'm like, are we missing something? Was there like  A fight we didn't see, or She said something.  Maria said something on her TikTok, which again feels like cheating, but yeah, hinting at that there was more that we would find out about, or there was more, more details would come to light.

Watch there just be hidden footage and Maria's like. Bitching out Sidney, like calling her the worst person.  Sidney's just sitting there like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, I got verbally abused by the internet for nothing. Also, her saying that Maria verbally abused her,  and Maria being like, you know this is recorded, right?

Exactly. That's what leads me to believe that there can't be What details are we missing here? No. And I saw Medina posted something on Tik TOK. It was like she had said something on the show about there's a lot of background stuff that you don't know, but then it had to do about her and  like she worked out too hard.

So she had to get surgery.  Did you see this? I missed that one. I, yeah. She said, She worked out too hard, her arms got so inflamed,  oh my god. I hate when I work out too hard.  Damn, I hate, I hate when that happens. Ooh, like every week, you know? Yeah. She worked out too hard to where  both of her, also this is not something to joke about, I don't, I'm like nervous laughing now, but, but she was like hospitalized for a week because she couldn't.

Oh shit, like during filming? No, no, like. No, like in her own life, but she just, yes, exactly. But she was saying this on TikTok about how she couldn't bathe herself for a week because her arms 

were so inflamed from doing too many pushups and pull ups. 

That's what she said. We get it. You're fit. Okay. It's like, okay, you're skinny enough. 

Any who, she was like, I was going through all that. And apparently their group date was. I don't even remember what it was. It was physicality. So she was in her feels because she still is uncomfortable working out because of her. So anyway, she's like, that was the background. And I'm like, Oh, I thought the background was going to be like, Maria said.

You know, X, Y, Z, but yeah, it didn't make sense to me. I, that's what's so, I think they're trying hard to make something to make fetch happen. Oh yeah. And it wasn't because what we essentially as viewers received was Medina said something about how being 31, yeah, which so ancient, um,  it's like, she's self conscious about that.

And Maria's like, what? That's so dumb. You don't need to be.  Yeah. Okay. Um, also Maria is like 30, isn't she? Maria is 29. Yeah. And, um, it's funny too, because Kelsey, so there's two Kelsey's that we got  Kelsey  a, I think is the one from new Orleans that Joey seems to be very much into. And  then Kelsey T we haven't seen, she hasn't gotten tons of screen time.

I like her though. I like her a lot too. And I. In the, you know, when they put the season trailer like in the very beginning of when the show starts? Yeah, I feel like I I recognize her as being in a lot of those scenes like later on that we haven't seen yet I wonder if she'll get a one on one. Yeah, so I don't know  She's another Canan, Canad, Canadian. 

No, I think they're going to Canada, right? Oh, yes. But I'm like, why'd you fly from LA to Malta to Canada? That makes no sense. Shouldn't you go LA, Canada, and then Malta, like the cooler place once the girls have made it further? Right? Yeah, we digress but yeah, yeah, there's a shitload of Canadians on the on on lately in a lot of these seasons It's just it's just saying it's a lot of Canadian energy.

Yeah, we got a lot of Canadian energy a girl Maria  Nothing against Canada. Oh, oh see you train of thought right Kelsey T. Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. is 31 as well. And she just, she posts on Instagram. One thing about me is I'm gonna mind my business . Wait, I think I saw that. It's like, that made me like her even more. I didn't even know she was 31.

Yeah. What is Medina croaking about this? I think what she's just like inner feels, and then Sydnee decides, this is the weird thing, is Sydney's like, she's my friend and I overheard, ugh.  Maria discounting her feelings by saying it's not that big of a deal.  Also, Maria was defending Medina. Yeah! She's like, you shouldn't worry about that.

Who cares? Like, Joey doesn't care. And then Medina's like, you're discrediting my feelings. Like  And I don't understand where Sydney popped in from. What the hell? Like Do you think before the show aired that she was like, I'm going to like  basically create havoc. Like, did she decide that or is this act like her actual personality?

Cause I'd respect her more if she was like, you know what? I'm going to like just create havoc. Yeah. But I'm like, if this is actually how you are, like nasty. That's nasty. Nasty. Yeah. I like you.  I, it's hard to tell. It's, this is confusing. I don't know if they should be posting so much because here's yet another reference to another like social media post,  something that happened off camera, but then afterwards, like I think following that episode, initial episode of their drama, she then. 

Posted some video of her, like, explaining what gaslighting is. Oh my god. The use of therapy talk. Oh my god, don't get me started. So annoying. Do we have all these, what, couch therapists all of a sudden everywhere? Also, it's like the least Aware people, in my opinion, using therapy talk to try to gaslight you, even though that's me using therapy talk, but like, whatever.

Right. Like, what are you, ugh. It's, it's like, almost a defense. I don't know, I feel like people think that it gives them,  like a get out of jail free card to say whatever the fuck they want to say.  And that everyone will be on their side if they're like, You crossed my boundaries.  You gaslit me. Whatever she was describing in this TikTok video, I was like, you're describing exactly what you did  to Maria! 

Like, Maria did nothing, and you're walking up to Joey saying that this girl abused you? She abused, like, That's sick. Attacked. Cause then it's also like, people who have actually been verbally abused, like,  That's taking away from them. Like, bitch, I'll verbally abuse you. But Maria  didn't verbally abuse you.

No. No. I don't think, do you think Joey bought  what Sydney was selling at all?  Like, I don't think he bought it for a second, but I think he, honestly, it looked like he was trying not to laugh.  He's like, this is so fucking stupid. Like, what are you? I don't know. I think that Joey really likes Maria, but he can't just be like, no, Sydney, like, you're ridiculous because then he would look bad.

And we don't have a show. Yeah, exactly. So he's doing the PC thing of like, going back to Maria and being like, well, what, what's the story? Blah, blah, blah. Like, no, he clearly has no connection with Sydney.  I don't know how She didn't see that either. They didn't even talk except for when she was talking about Maria badmouthing Maria.

Like,  yeah, so weird. But no, I don't think he bought it. Did do you? No. No. , but I don't, I think you're totally right about that. He was like holding in  giggles or something. That's one of my favorite things about Joey is  he can't hide shit. Oh no, he's not. Um.  He doesn't seem like  The brightest? That's mean.

Yeah. I feel bad, but like. No, he doesn't. Did you hear about the Ruth Bader Ginsburg?  So Joey,  um, was shown a photo of, uh, you know, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, major champion of women's rights. No, no, he was shown a photo of Gypsy Rose.  Oh,  that's even better. It's swamped. It was swamped. Of Gypsy Rose Blanchard and said it was Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

He was like, yeah, is this Ruth Gins,  Ruth Bader Ginsburg?  And now the internet is like, pissed at him, which I'm like,  why are our expectations so high for The Bachelor? He's a 27 year old. tennis instructor from Hawaii. It's not really serious. He knows  what Ruth Bader Ginsburg has done. Her accomplishment. I mean, come on.

No, it's not that serious. It's not that serious. It's never that serious. It was never that serious. I'd be for real, like be for real. That's kind of goes, it's just in general, it's been really bugging me is like, look, there are important. Political things to talk about. There's plenty of terrible shit that goes down and I get the need to be serious and people to use a platform if they can and yada yada.

But, you know what? We don't need to be asking or forcing every influencer, a makeup influencer, to tell us what they think about Palestine. Like we do not need their opinion. We don't. So why are we trying to force that?  Did you see the Brittany Broski thing or whatever? Oh yeah. On like her being like, why do you want me to be reporting on?

Like, she's like, I don't know anything about the subject. If anything, and if they talk out of their ass, then that's a lot more damaging. Exactly. Like, why do people want them to speak on stuff that they are clearly not credentialed to speak on? Yeah. But yeah, I did think it was, I'm like,  A little maybe surprised he didn't know who.

Yeah. Ruth. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was, or even know who Gypsy Rose was. like he didn't know either of them.  , he's neither Pop culture. Yeah. I'm like one or the other. Joey, you should listen to this podcast. Yeah. He's gonna be so upset when he listens. Yeah. He is gonna cry  . We'll talk to him later. It's okay. Oh,  let's take a  wine break.

Wine break. Cheers. So let's jump into, we get.  Um, both sides of whatever, uh, story that is being concocted with Sydney Medina Maria  debacle in which suddenly Medina gets left out of the narrative. Yeah. Like she didn't even speak upon. No, which is also weird.  Like if she's fine with it, why, why are you still bitching?

Exactly. Like I think it all boils down to. Jealousy that there's an obvious connection with Maria. 100%. Um, Sydney has no leg to stand on, so this is kind of like her final straw type of, like, I just, I'm so embarrassed for her. Like, can you imagine like, if I went on The Bachelor, I would be embarrassed if like my friends saw this shit.

Like, Yeah.  It's just embarrassing. And it's true. Like, don't you guys know that's recorded? Yes. And every season, the people, the women who talk shit about other girls and go to the bachelor saying, Oh, this girl, she is a bully, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They never choose that person ever. It's always the people that stay out of the drama.

They get chosen. It's literally like statistical. Look at every single of however many seasons.  Every single winner has never once been involved in drama ever, ever.  There was one long time ago, Courtney. Yeah. But she was, she was a villain. Yeah. But they all stayed together for like a month or something and then broke up.

It never works  because generally, yes, it is.  It's a huge red flag if they're a center of drama throughout, you know, And wasting their time with you to talk about their issues with girls in the house. If anything, the guy should be like, okay, well if you have issues with girls in the house, then you're not  easygoing.

So like, bye bitch. Bye bitch. Bye bitch.  I like that one.  Then we get to the two on one. Oh my god. Can you imagine?  Oh, a friend of ours  went on her own two on one. Oh, tell the story.  She got herself a hinge date. Everything's going great. They schedule a time and a place to go grab a drink. The funny part of Wiz,  the funny part of Wiz is, was that this man thought that it was Valentine's Day.

Oh, yes.  And text her, he's like, do you have any Valentine's Day plans? Like, let's get a drink, blah, blah, blah. It was the day before Valentine's. She was like, do I?  Do I say,  do we tell him,  how do we break the news? Yeah. She didn't end up breaking it to him until she arrived,  but it's true. That is like the best part.

So it gives you a sense of where this man's head's at. She arrives and sees that he's like, Oh, I'm over here. Like I'm by the pool table or whatever. He's playing pool with this guy. That's there. Presumably. Just somebody else he met at the bar. She was like, oh, he's so friendly. He just, you know, picked up some friends.

He's playing pool.  Yeah, no. Nope. Turns out it's this guy's, like, good buddy who was waiting for his date to arrive. His date did not arrive. And he was just hanging out with the two.  Also, can we just rewind?  If you're gonna do a double hinge date, shouldn't you tell the girl? Yes! Like, surprise! Double hinge date!

Like, I don't know, at least be like, Yo, I'm too nervous to meet with you one on one, so like, My friend is Also gonna meet his hint. I don't know. It's just weird. There should definitely have been like a Notification.  Yes  Your date has turned into a double date  Yeah, the double date was just a two on one  Why didn't he leave I know I'm still yes, so apparently What happened, the one, the one guy was like, Oh, the third guy, or sorry, the second guy, the third human who was supposed to meet up with his date was like, Oh yeah, after the pool game, should, should I leave? 

But like kind of got the vibe you wanted to stay in there like, no, you can stay. So he ended up just staying the whole date, all night. Just like a first date referee or something? Yeah, like, I guess so. They ended up having a fun time, but,  I would have been like, Hey, two is, what is this? Two is better than one?

Two is fun, three is a crowd, am I right? That's the one!  Like, okay. Yeah. We digress. We digress.  Shout out.  Yeah. So the dreaded two on one that you just never want to be on the season of the bachelor, that means you've done something  wrong. That is a punishment. Nobody wants to be on that. Thankfully, even this time around, Joey's like, I, I know this, uh, isn't fun. 

The part they got me is  They're both on the boat, like, on the yacht, waiting for him to get on the boat. Neither of them even stood up to hug him. Like, they both just sat there, their eyes, like, panned across, they're like, Hello, Joey. So weird. He's like, great. And he just sat, like, in between them, and I'm like, You're not even gonna get up to, like, hug him?

That was weird. The energy was just super  Yeah. Yeah. They're just prepping to like, what? Defend themselves and  no. So they go through all of that  and reiterate and just Sydney continues to be a bitch, be a huge bitch. I really don't like her. No. Um, and I guess the producers finally allowed Joey to send her home. 

She looks exactly like Alex Cooper though. Do you think she does?  I don't think exactly. I feel like they look super similar. They, yeah, there's, there's something.  Yeah. She doesn't, well, this is for a convo for another time, but she sure doesn't look like Megan Fox. What about Megan? Love is blind. Oh my god. 

It's another reality TV show chatter, but um, just maybe never. Why set yourself up for failure like that? I would never tell anybody that ever. Never. Ever. Also, it rarely works out to say you look like someone. Also, if you say you look like someone, you have to know for a fact that you are more attractive than that person.

Yes. Yes. A hundred percent. And it takes a confident person to think they're more attractive than Megan Fox. Like, why would you say that? I think she was drunk or something and like kind of, I think it was, it was calculated the way that she said it was such a pick me. Totally. She just want to get chosen over someone else.

I look like MGK is, I don't know, his girlfriend or wife, like bitch Megan Fox is way more famous than MGK. What are you doing? That's so embarrassing. I'm, I'm sad for her. That's also why I love watching reality TV. I love to watch people embarrass themselves. I'm like,  loser.  Meanwhile, if I was on reality TV, I'm sure like, Oh god, yeah.

Oh, I'd get canceled in like, within the first five minutes. Yeah, I'm, there, there's no way. There's no way. Unless it's Survivor, shout out, gonna be on Survivor one day. Ooh, ooh, that'd be a fun one. Or America's, uh, Next Top Model, yeah, that one too.  I just stare. You're like, no, not that one. I was thinking the race one. 

Wait, which one? Greatest. Oh, I thought you meant race. Oh, okay. No. Um, the amazing race. The official, it's a reality TV show where all the races compete to see who's the best race. That's why I was like, whoa. It's the amazing race. Yeah, that'd be fun. Actually, I don't think that'd be, you'd be so exhausted.

That'd be stressful. I mean, it's all stressful. I like sleep in till  late. So would you do that on Survivor?  They have nothing to do on Survivor. Like all they do is sit around all day. Wouldn't you lose your mind? Yeah, I guess they just have to like talk to each other and stuff.  Cause they don't have their phones in the, in the bachelor mansion either.

Do they? Okay. I actually wanted to bring that up because  no, I thought that they never had their phones there,  but this season, unlike any other season, they've all been posting Tik Toks like from the mansion. Did you see the one that Leah and Sydney posted?  What was it? It was like, when he said something about when he dumps you or something, but I'm like, Leah, you're literally still on.

Wait, I gotta like find this. I need them to quit breaking their NDAs or whatever. Like, but whose phone were they filming TikToks on? Do you remember The Bachelor gave away the winner like before it had aired in Central? Uh. Wait, this season? This was, I can't remember which, I think it was last season. What?

Like, The Bachelor handle on Instagram, like the official Instagram, posted a photo of like the final, like the couple. Who? And it was before Zach and Katie? Uh huh.  What? I want to say it was Zach and Katie. Or Charity and  Maybe it was Charity and Dotton. These girls are wild. I did see one actually of, I think it was Autumn, like the only other blonde girl. 

Oh yeah, Autumn. Of like, doing the salt burn. When you're not awake. Autumn! The butter on the dance floor. Can we talk salt burn or is that for another time? We can talk saltwater. We can talk saltwater. We can talk bathwater, graveyard.  I just don't think it was It's as inappropriate as the internet was making it out to be. 

That's the thing when shit like becomes, um, over trending topic or whatever.  Like if I had just seen it without any of the internet, I probably would have been like, Whoa, that's a lot. But after the internet was like, Oh my God, like this is the most wild thing I've ever seen. Disturbing. And like, yeah, I was like, that's it.

The bathtub scene, I was expecting, like,  Really wasn't that bad. I mean, not to say, like, I'm better than everybody. But, like, I went  I watched Saltburn without knowing anything about it. It was, I Oh, did you go with Sarah? Uh huh. Yeah, we went and saw it in the movie theater and I, like, watched the trailer once, I think, before we went to see it. 

So, not expecting  The crazy disturbing scenes. Like I heard it's supposed to be freaky, but I was like waiting for it. The graveyard scene was when I was like, Oh, the graveyard one I thought was the worst of like the three. Yeah. And it was the least talked about of the three. I feel like. I was the bathtub.

So I had heard about the bathtub and I ended up getting lunch with my coworker. We were driving and he was like, Oh yeah, I saw salt burn. And I asked him cause I tried Googling the bathtub scene, but like nothing came up. Uh huh. So I was like, what, like, what happened at the bathtub scene? And he was like, Ohhhh, like, just watch it.

He, like, wouldn't tell me, and I'm like, He's like, oh, I feel weird, just watch it. And now I'm like, it's not that weird. No. Would you, I, I guess, maybe a co But like, we're close, so I'm like, it's not that weird. No, I don't, I mean, all you have to say is like, he was  Masturbating. Yeah, self pleasuring. That might be weirder than the word masturbate, self pleasure.

I hate the word masturbate. Yeah, it actually sounds so medieval. It does, it does. I also think the same about vagina. 

Whatever!  Nasty words. Moist.  That one's Yeah. Yeah. Anywho, why'd we get on the soft part? I'm  Oh, because Autumn posted Murder on the Dance Floor. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, they are posting far more. Maybe it's now a thing that they want them to do. Yeah. But, I don't know how I feel about it. Yeah, I don't either.

I need to, yeah, I need them to save like a little bit of mystery. I agree completely. Till like the end and then, I agree. Then I want to see it all. Everything. Yeah. So yeah, at the end of the, the two on one, if you hadn't caught that yet, Sydney, everyone's favorite resident villain. Bye bitch. Bye. Went home in Maria Reigns.

The things that you have said about your mother hoe. The things you have lied about.  We're going to let the reindeer games. 

Sorry, but continue. Um, you know, okay. So that happens two on one.  I think they're in Malta. They had a group date. They did the sausage thing where you catch sausage and cheese in your mouth. Yeah, that looked kind of like actually a fun group date. It did. Some of the group dates are so  not fun, I would think.

Like the talent show one. Yeah. Like. I also wouldn't want to be on like the athletic one either. Oh my god. The talent show ones and the fucking like tackling each other. Yeah, cause you don't hang out with, you're not like on a date. Not at all. Also it's like, I don't want to tackle another person. No. W woman.

Like. No. That's.  Like that's just doesn't sound fun to me.  No. Unless it's Sydney, then I'll tackle her. Tackle the villain. Like a whack a mole. And she's tiny. Oh my God. Why is it always the little ones? Like, Um, yeah. So they all like pretend to be, I don't know, like.  Vikings? So we're in Malta. Uh huh. Which is like,  according to Joey, um, it's full of history.

It's in, it's in Europe. He had, you know, they got to go through the whole scene of the Bachelor or Bachelorette describing the city they're going to.  They've like probably signed some deal with the city, the tourism board.  They got to tell everyone how great Michigan is.  They're like the most beautiful city in the whole world.

I've never been anywhere better. Malta was actually, it looked sick. I would love to go to Malta. Yeah.  Um, what do you say? He, he said this, whatever city they were in has super old school vibes  because Joey's just all about the vibes. Um, the internet freaked out because they're like, Oh yeah, Joey, a city that was built in 5, 000 B.

C. has old school vibes. And like, cut the guy some slack. Like, sorry he doesn't know every ounce of history about Malta. People need to fucking relax. They need to take a deep breath. Take a deep breath. Or a deep breath. Or a Xanax.  Or both?  . Both. Yeah. Preferably  . They would, they really, they really went down his throat for that one.

Is that the phrase? They went for the neck. , I don't think went down his throat is the phrase. They really shoved bit down his throat. His throat.  They went for his throat. Yes. Not went down his throat. , they went for his throat at that and I'm like.  Chill. Yeah. Just chill. Take a deep breath, Karen. Karen, Karen's working hard. 

I thought, yeah,  sorry, I was thinking back to the group date. They are actually now by the second episode on Tuesday, they head off from Malta to Andalusia, Spain. And then Lucia. And then Lucia. Where we have Kelsey A's one on one, that goes really well.  He's very much into her. You  can tell that they have like, super good chemistry.

Yeah. Off the bat. I think it might be her. I, you know, everyone keeps screaming Daisy. Mm hmm. I'm like, yeah. Like, she got the edit, she got the good edit the first few episodes, but like, there's so much more to the season. Yeah. It's almost too obvious. I agree. Everyone always does that with the first date.

Yeah. They'll like get their panties in a wad about it. Totally. And get so excited and I'm like, I also really like Lexi, but Mm hmm. Do you think he actually doesn't care about the kids thing? I think his reaction was great, was so sweet. He said, there's so much more to you, yada yada, I don't mind. Mm hmm.

That's gotta play a part. Like, would you care if a guy told you on a first date that he couldn't have biological kids?  Yeah. I think I would too. Yeah. I mean, it has to play a factor, right? Yeah. Like, of course there's nothing wrong and adopting is great, and there's other options, but.  But like, it's something that I think everyone would agree.

Like, yeah, factor. Totally. That's why I was almost like not annoyed. Like, of course he's going to be like, Oh, that doesn't matter. Like, blah, blah, blah. But I'm like.  Don't lie to her. Yeah. I think that that's definitely if she, and I think she will  make it far. I do too. That that's going to, that can't not play a part in, in this. 

In deciding who's right for him at the end of it. Yeah, if you're deciding who you're going to literally marry and have kids with, Yeah. That plays a part in it. Mm hmm.  I saw on like, I don't think it was E! News, something that she got her eggs frozen, like, two weeks before she went on The Bachelor. Oh. I'm like, okay, well that also changes things, like, Then, yeah.

That's different, you know? Then what she has, I think she said she has endometriosis, which is super common. Unfortunately. And I mean, I've, I've definitely heard that.  I mean, who knows, I don't know her health situation, but like it's possible. Yeah. That it's possible. I don't know. I don't want to say.  But it's also a form of like kind of trauma dumping in a way of like finding some way to trauma bond or just like, yeah, it's just a lot.

I'll like, can you imagine every single guy you go on a date with? It's just telling you like their deepest darkest either traumas or secrets or whatever. I'm like, yeah,  like that's a lot. That is a lot. It's gotta be emotionally just, and then you go from one conversation to the next, like they're recording for. 

Yeah, that's mm hmm. Yeah,  sorry we digress but Kelsey Kelsey's date She gets the rose and I think she'll last for a while I do too  And then after that is when they have a group date and those that are on this date are  The people of this group date are Lexi Daisy, Jen, Autumn, Maria, Caitlyn.  Who's Caitlyn?

Caitlyn is the one who  is, wears barrettes in her hair. Mmmmm.  She's the like, artsy gal. Oh, she's actually I think like a, like a scientist. Oh yeah. Like a chem. Yeah, I think she's a chemist. Like something like that. That's right. Why is she still doing there? I don't know, but I actually liked her always.

It's from the beginning.  She's really nice. She's the person who Maria like, and we'll get into that later, but like, yeah, I like, I like Caitlin, but okay. Is it Caitlin? Caitlin? I had forgotten the one who said she's cursed because her mom is single and her mom has five sisters and they're all single. I was like, damn, you are cursed.

They totally did get cursed. Like I know she would like made it funny and they were like laughing about it, but I'm like,  That's low key a red flag, like, if a guy I was talking to was like, Oh yeah, my dad, and my dad has five brothers, and literally they're all single, I'd be like, maybe like, you're the problem.

Yeah.  Yeah, I wouldn't love that. Like, that's not something I want to hear. Yeah, no. It was cute and funny the way she did it, but yeah. Yeah, that's a lot. I, it sounds like their asses got hexed for sure.  Um, Medina, Leia, Jess and Kelsey T.  Um, which meant that Rachel got the one on one, but we'll talk about the group date.

They go and they're told to.  Paint some meaningful painting to, like, based on their relationship with Joey. And then Joey's supposed to guess what it is, and then they say whatever the meaning behind the painting is. And Of course, Leia's annoying and,  like, does have some artistic talent, so she's like, I'm gonna win.

I like, revealed hers, I was like, ugh, damn, it's actually good. Yeah,  really wanted it to be bad. Um, so they reveal the paintings, and Joey guesses them, and he's not a very good guesser. 

What was it? I think it was Kelsey, uh, Tease.  Oh, she drew half a heart and he like thought it was an elephant.  She's like, it's clearly half a heart. It's very much not an elephant. It was like super obvious that it was half a heart.  Yeah. Um, and then they supposed to choose a winner of like, I guess the most meaningful and supposedly, I don't know, a good painting.

I don't know.  And Jess wins, who was, she got the.  She, no, Leia actually got the first impression, Rose. But Jess created a little havoc on episode one. Yeah, she got the first kiss. Yes, and told everyone about it. We did have a little smoochy poo, I'm not gonna lie. We had a smoochy poo. A smoochy poo. Ugh, she's so annoying.

She's really annoying. Um, her voice irks me. She, yeah. That whole crew. It's the mean girls found each other. Ew. Ew. Sydnee also,  sorry. Continue. No, it's fine.  , go on. I don't know. I was the mean girl group of Sydney. Now they're, their leader is gone. Mm-Hmm. , Jess Leia. Who else is in that crew? Is her name. Medina.

But then I guess she kind of became nice. Yeah.  She brought, she went to the white side. Oh, I thought that Rachel was also kind of part of their squad. She was, which was a bit of a shock. I don't really, I don't see the They clearly, I don't know. Yeah, they have a connection. I'll be honest. I skipped her date.

She's boring. It was super boring. It was like hour three in two days. And I, I, I FF'd through it because I really wanted to know about the Maria Jess drama.  I was like, yeah, I can't, I can't do this. What, what'd they talk about during theirs? I don't even really remember that. Well, they did what I do distinctly remember is they went and learned how to, I think it was flamenco dance.

And so they give them these like. Special flamenco shoes. And Joey is wearing fucking khaki shorts and like these  basically short heeled booties.  That's mostly what I remember. Basically, Rachel is describing herself as a slow burn. Takes her a while to open up. Um, she's an ICU nurse. Okay. Hawaii, Hawaii. So they have that connection and. 

I don't know.  I don't see her lasting much longer, but maybe some people think that she's gonna make it really long, really far. Yeah, so Rachel ends up getting a rose on her one on one, she makes it.  And um, it's time for the cocktail party and production has decided to destroy Jess. She is still feeling insecure.

Did production decide that or did Jess decide that? I think Jess decided that. That's a little too letting her off easy.  She's still feeling insecure about seeing other people's connections with Joey. She's slowly disintegrating and we see that for sure. She declares that she's going to hang back a little bit during the cocktail party.

Because she got extra time with Joey. She's being respectful. She's being conscientious. She's being re Maria stole Joey. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Jess is livid. It's giving disrespect on all sides. What the fuck, Maria?  Listen, Maria is a hot bitch. She's not letting a moment pass by without parading in front of Joey in a backless dress and making out with him. 

Amen. I mean, do your thing, girl. And here's the thing, he likes it. Joey is so into her. That's why you're mad Jess. It's not about the disrespect. It's about the fact that Maria has dark hair and a boy likes her.  There are no rules in The Bachelor other than get him to like you.  Yeah, so Jess gets pissed off that Maria spends any time with him.

Mind you this is after It wasn't like she had a great date. She went on the two on one where she just had to, like, defend herself. Yeah. Also, I have some words about Jess. Well, let me hear them. She is sitting there telling Marianne, That's super disrespectful. What, what did she even say? She was like, You already, It's so early to be pulling, Spending a lot of time with him, right?

A little, a little, Something to be spins. You literally did the same thing on night one. One. What are you? Are you? She came and stole him after that they had that kiss. Yes, stole him twice on night one and she goes, I'm not here to make friends. I just want to hang out with Joey and get my rope. Good. Good for you.

Well, then let everybody else do that too. Exactly. Like they're just so  unaware. Yes. She's super immature too. You can just tell by everything. Is she, how old is she? Cause I know Leia's hella young. I think she's 23. It's immature, a little bit immature. And I mean, it shows, it shows. Yeah, the proof is in the pudding.

The proof is in the pudding. Because Leia too is the same, she's young too. Oh, Leia. She decides, she just takes it upon herself to become the next villain. And she's really doing herself a disservice because she actually got the first impression, Rose. Mm hmm. So she is set up for success. So you're really gonna crash and burn. 

Explain what happened with her and the Medina. So during the cocktail party, Maria gets upset because she catches wind that Leia and Jess and whatever, who else is in that squad, are annoyed because Medina has been nice to Maria. Because Medina said, Maria, I like your dress. You look super good tonight.

Like, they're like, our friend Sydney just got sent home and now you're switching up. And you're gonna be rude to her. I'm like, Y'all are sick in the head. Like you're actually sick. That's honestly even immature for like middle schoolers. Oh my god, you know You can't be friends with her because you can't give her one compliment or speak to her So stupid and Medina's response was amazing.

She said oh just because I'm friends with Sydney I have to be mean to Maria like  And I'm with her, the fuck? Like, life is, life is not easy, why are you making a big deal about stupid shit like that? Ugh, God. I wish, too, that So there's this, they have this, what's called movie night on, uh, Love Island where they play back, uh, scenes from that, that have happened already, but like, but they haven't seen themselves we've seen as the audience, but the people in the show, I haven't seen it, but they play, they call it movie night and they play back certain clips. 

To be like, roll the tapes, essentially, and see like, That's so toxic! Someone else is talking shit about somebody else, yeah. And they'll just straight up show, like, someone talking shit. And then turn it off and let the, let the fireworks begin. That's why it's a great reality TV. Oh my god. I think that there should be, like,  I don't know, you get, every so often, If it's, instead of doing these stupid two on ones that don't like, Push any relationship forward.

Yeah. Usually they're just there for drama. Yeah. They should do like a movie name. That would be so funny. Oh my God. Can you imagine Sydney's face? Like, Oh, I, uh,  or Jess, the Jess fight. Oh, then things explode at the end of the cocktail party. When Maria comes back to the group, she sits down and Jess tries to throw a little shade.

Pretty early convo for someone with the rose. No! Incredibly smart move by someone who likes Joey and who Joey likes. An incredibly stupid move by Jess not to pull Joey and to get caught up in all of this. The best thing is Maria just says, yep, and asks, is there a problem? After Jess doesn't have a retort, she says Maria is, quote, nothing but rude and disrespectful.

Maria then asks for examples. Apparently, she told Jess to get out of a conversation she was trying to interrupt. Which, if true, is very funny. You're so rude. You told me to stop interrupting you. And that's the first time anyone has ever done that to me.  Um, okay, so the New Yorker just kind of, a little bit of paraphrasing going on there.

But, essentially,  explodes, Jess explodes on Maria. So she's always been so rude, so mean, so terrible. She hasn't been rude. Unless they're just, like, production is just obsessed with Maria. And it's, like, not showing us actual, like  Rude footage. The girl is, people are so triggered that she's pretty, confident, and has a relationship with Joey.

Like, why are you so triggered by that? That's entirely it.  And I'm like, why are they not triggered by someone like Daisy, who's also pretty and has a good relationship with Joey? But I'm like, is it because she's not as in your face confident? Like, I don't know what it is. I think so. I think they're taking  her confidence  To be cockiness.

Yes, but they're just they're translating it that way because they're insecure and Wish that they had that that confidence Yeah, and time and attention from Joey that she's getting Agree. And it's just, their immaturity is loud. It's kind of sad. Also, it was so funny when  the Bachelor producers are working overtime.

When Jess occupation turned into Jealous of Maria. Yes! They really have been going hard with the um, shit. I was like, that was fucked up even for them. It really was. They didn't hide how they felt. you imagine if you just kinda like got caught up in your emotions and you're like, Fuck, I probably like made a fool of myself.

And you watched it back and it straight up was like, Caroline, jealous of Maddie. I'd be like so embarrassed. Yeah. I'd, like, that's so embarrassing. Yeah. It's, that sucks. You really are, these contestants are handing over, like,  their reputations in a way. I mean, any reality TV show, I suppose, any contestant, like, You're doing that, but  Bachelor's notorious.

I'll tell you what. Nothing really comes of that fight. I don't believe. Yeah. I don't know. Just Jess kind of explodes and calls her a bitch. And then Jess is like huffing and puffing like little pit bull. And everyone's just like, you good? Chill. Um, but I don't, I don't think anything else became of the fight.

Do you think next week,  like  it'll be addressed? Cause I don't remember seeing anything in the trailer about that.  I don't. So by the time this comes out, we're talking, um, after that two double header episode night, we haven't seen the next episode. So something could have happened, but I don't,  yeah, I did see too much about that.

I think they ultimately, let's see by the end of the night after the cocktail party, Um, Medina and Autumn are sent home.  Poor Medina. Poor Medina. And, uh, they're going to Montreal. Okay. Maria's homeland. I bet Jess and Leia love that. Mm-Hmm. . They're gonna be so excited. I don't know. I think that next week there's definitely gonna be more drama.

So I'm glad that the producers, you Lord, forced him to keep one of, to one of God, one of em or two of them. Thank God, thank God. Like we need that. That's what makes the show good. So can you imagine if there wasn't, like, this is so petty and stupid and I love it. Like it's perfect. It's what we want. This is why I don't like the men's one.

Yeah.  They don't  do this. They don't keep it going. Yeah. They don't keep it going. They're like, Oh, okay. Forgive you, bro. That's stupid. It may be pushing, you know, feminine, feminine,  feminist agenda a little backwards a little bit, but I love it. I love it too. I love it.  We love to see it. We love to see it. So now that we've seen thus far,  um, we got a little bit more.

of a upcoming on the rest of the season trailer.  I want to know who are your personal top four ladies. If you were Joey and you were to pick the woman for him. For him. Who would it be? If you were to pick the woman for him. To pick the woman for him. Who would it be? Top four. The Ann and Delvey boys. Pick the woman for him.

For him. Who would it be? Who would it be? That's good. Oh, oh my God. Thank you.  100 percent Maria for me. I just love a confident bitch. Someone who knows who she is. Someone who will not just cower down to others and speak up for her truth. Like I love that about her. So 100 percent her, I don't think they'll end up together.

I don't even think she'll make it to top four, but like if I were him. Your personal top four? Yeah, that would be one. I'll say Daisy cause Uh, every other bitch in town thinks so too. Truly. But also, yeah, she's super nice.  We didn't talk about the cochlear implant thing. I don't know she talks enough about it for everybody else.

Oh my god Sorry, I'm like, that's great. Yes. It is show some representation amazing But we don't like she is also so much more than 100 percent That's why I'm like, okay  We get it. Yeah, I want to know more about her. I agree. I like her. She is funny But I haven't seen her be funny with Joey. I'm sure she has been, but the funny parts of her, I've seen like the confessionals, you know?

Yeah. Which I like. Like when she was dressed up as a baby, she was saying funny stuff. And I was like, okay, you're cool. Yeah. So her. I love Kelsey. A, the one who's mama passed away. Yeah, I think she's super genuine. Obviously she's gorgeous. I thought from day one, strong connection. Oh yes. They're like into each other and she'll just like kiss him, like lean in and I don't know.

I really like her. Yeah. She seems confident in their relationship.  I think she's super cute. I would say Lexi, but  actually I'll say Lexi. I'll say Lexi. Yeah? I think she's genuine. She was like a little bit nervy on our date. Like her voice was  shaking in the middle. Yeah, it was. Yeah. But I would probably be, like, my voice would be shaking too, so like I'll give her a pass.

But yeah, I really like her. She seems genuine. I like it. Yeah. So those are my top four and then who do I think will actually be top four? Uh huh.  Daisy, Lexi, Kelsey, Maybe Rachel? I don't think, I think everyone likes Kelsey T and I really like her too, but I don't, I don't think that he'll choose her quite frankly.

Yeah, I don't think so either. So Maddie, who are Who would be your top four?  Thank you for asking me that. Your top four for you and then your top four for Joey. My personal Personally. My personal top four Personal. Would be Personal. Okay, I'm done. Personally. Unconditionally. Uh, my top four would be Um, I wasn't going to go with Kelsey a okay.

Good choice. Like her. I like her. I will go. I mean, Daisy, it's undeniable that they have a little day's deniable undesired.  Yeah. Um, and then I would probably say, um, the, 

um,  Maria.  Maria is great. My personal as well. Yeah.  And then I might say the other Kelsey. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think she's been hidden.  They've been, producers have been tucking her away. I think she has something up her sleeve. Totally. Totally. So both Kelsey's been like, You know, putting her back, back up. Yeah.

Back on the Markey, back on the, yeah, on, on her screens. Yes. Yeah, that, that one  . And in her confessionals, like she's, I don't know, she seems real and funny and Yeah. No, I like her. Like I'd be friends with her. Okay. But what do we think of her profession being actor?  Holy shit, I missed that. Yeah. She's an actor. 

Is she?  You know? Yeah. Like. It's, I find it  suspect. Oh, that's right. She's from LA too. I don't know. Just some food for thought. That is some food for thought. Maybe it'll come up. Yeah, maybe. And I think that next week, the two that are gonna leave, like, Caitlin, your time has run out. And hopefully Jess and Leia, but I don't think we'll be so lucky.

We will not be. Who would you want to keep?  Between the two. Yeah. Not, not for like actually fit for Joey, but for drama purposes. Oh, Leia. I kind of think so too. Jess is just annoying. Jess just kind of like throws like temper tantrums I feel like. And she had no rebuttal.  Like, that was, it made me feel like second hand embarrassing.

Yeah, it's like when you're like,  Well, you're a poo poo head. And then she laughs, she's like,  Okay, Maria. And I'm like, it's because you literally don't know what to say. Yeah. Like, it's cringy. No, it did. It was giving. Cringe. Cringe, for sure. It's giving!  We sound like the 23 year olds. Disrespect!  It's giving disrespect.

Can you just say that felt disrespectful? Yeah, like say you're being disrespectful, not It's giving disrespect. Like, no one's taking you seriously. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not. That's for sure. I'm for sure not. Not me.  Couldn't be me. Who then do we think would make the best, or who should they choose as the bachelorette? 

So, my opinion is that the bachelorette has to be feisty, has to be entertaining. Totally. Name the two best bachelorettes.  Kaitlyn Bristow. Kaitlyn Bristow and who else? Hannah Brown. Hannah Brown. Hannah Brown, hands down. Hands down. Ooh, Hannah Brown. Hannah Brown, hands down. By far the most entertaining, because they're not just sweet, kind, whatever, I mean they are that, but like, they're funny, sarcastic, feisty.

They're not afraid to like, be who they are, and like, have an opinion. Absolutely. And my opinion is that the guy, the bachelor being chosen, has to be like the boring, steady, whatever. The Sean Lowe. Yes, the Sean Lowe, the bin. Zach, I guess. The Zachs, the bin, uh, what the f Oh. Why am I blinking? But yeah, I think the girl needs to be the feisty, fun one.

The guy needs to be the calm and steady. It's like, For example, Daisy. I love her, but she's not gonna be a good bachelorette. Like, she's too not toxic. Exactly. She's too boring. She's too emotionally stable. I guess she has her thingies, but like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It has to be a Maria. Like, someone like that.

Totally. So my vote is Maria. I 100 percent agree. I mean, I think it's It's almost like,  it's almost so obvious because I think we can tell that they're not, they're not in game. He ain't, he ain't choosing her. No, so like if they don't choose her, they're the bachelor. They're stupid. Yeah, they're shooting themselves in the foot here.

It's Ben Higgins. Ben  Higgins! Duh. Yeah, I know. And then like Jojo, she was funny, quirky, like  sassy, like she was a great bachelor. Yeah. They had some good ones. And they're one of the lasting ones. Well, Jojo and Jordan. Oh, I thought we were talking about Ben Higgins and Jojo and I was like, honestly, they should be together, but yeah.

Yeah, I fully agree. Maria for  bachelorette. Um, I don't know, any final thoughts? My final thoughts are that I I really don't like you Jess or  Leia or Sydney. Y'all need to go probably to therapy  or like, I don't know, maybe watching all this hate, I get like a lot of the hate is unwarranted, but like maybe if everyone in the world thinks of you as certain way, you should look inward and like maybe change your behavior.

Maybe. So that's kind of my final thoughts for them. Change your behavior. Otherwise people will continue to dislike you. Yeah. I think it will be a really good, uh, after the final rose. Oh my god! I'm already excited for that. After, I was thinking the, the women tell all. Oh no, yes. That's, that's it. Like, because Sydney, oh my, what is she gonna say?

Is she gonna show up? She better. They better pay her. I hope so. Oh, I'd be so mad if she didn't. I think they would be too. Also, she's been feisty over TikTok gaslighting. Okay, if you have a lot to say, then say it at, honestly, at the reunion. Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be a good one. I think, I think we got some good episodes ahead of us.

I cannot wait. And I want to know, like,  He did say in one of whenever Joey was doing his like press junket tour or whatever, uh, promo for the, the beginning of the season, I think it was on chicks in the office. He said, I don't think what happened has ever happened before.  What?  Wait, but I don't get, I don't know by the way he was saying it, I don't get that it'll ultimately affect. 

Him? Him? I don't know because they teased it from the very get go. So what are you thinking it might be? I'm thinking someone unexpected decides to leave. Like maybe one of his top two? But something that's never happened before? No, it's never happened before. What's never happened? The bachelor's gotten on one knee and the girl said no. 

Ooh. That's never happened. That's never happened. What if she just straight up said no. And he is like, okay, I need a bit. And then she's fucking proposes to the second string. No, no, no.  He had both of them. He's told both of them that he loved them. Joe Joe, right? No, he chose Lauren.  All I know is that. 

Whatever's. Oh, I'm like excited. Oh my God. Cause I've also heard the same thing. Like something happens. Let's never happen. Don't look at reality. Steve. I haven't yet. Even all he was like, I know who wins.  I might look, I know you might. I'm always the one that looks and then accidentally gives it away to you, Maddie. 

Yeah, I know. But I swear to God I haven't looked. I haven't either.  I won't do that. I can look. You can't. I don't have a podcast. I'll come on as the guest once he chooses. This ain't over.  It ain't over till Joey sings. I'm in sister. I mean, this has been ridiculously fun. Yeah, I could just keep doing this.

I know we've gone too long I'm sorry. Thanks for having me Maddie. Thanks for coming on Fun who was we got so much more to look forward to I love it. I love it. I love it  All  right homies